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God, the Gospel, and Glenn Beck

Tuesday, August 31, 2010 (3:11 pm)

by Russell D. Moore, Moore to the Point

A Mormon television star stands in front of the Lincoln Memorial and calls American Christians to revival. He assembles some evangelical celebrities to give testimonies, and then preaches a God and country revivalism that leaves the evangelicals cheering that they’ve heard the gospel, right there in the nation’s capital.

The news media pronounces him the new leader of America’s Christian conservative movement, and a flock of America’s Christian conservatives have no problem with that.

If you’d told me that ten years ago, I would have assumed it was from the pages of an evangelical apocalyptic novel about the end-times. But it’s not. It’s from this week’s headlines. And it is a scandal.

Fox News commentator Glenn Beck, of course, is that Mormon at the center of all this. Beck isn’t the problem. He’s an entrepreneur, he’s brilliant, and, hats off to him, he knows his market. Latter-day Saints have every right to speak, with full religious liberty, in the public square. I’m quite willing to work with Mormons on various issues, as citizens working for the common good. What concerns me here is not what this says about Beck or the “Tea Party” or any other entertainment or political figure. What concerns me is about what this says about the Christian churches in the United States.

It’s taken us a long time to get here, in this plummet from Francis Schaeffer to Glenn Beck. In order to be this gullible, American Christians have had to endure years of vacuous talk about undefined “revival” and “turning America back to God” that was less about anything uniquely Christian than about, at best, a generically theistic civil religion and, at worst, some partisan political movement.

Rather than cultivating a Christian vision of justice and the common good (which would have, by necessity, been nuanced enough to put us sometimes at odds with our political allies), we’ve relied on populist God-and-country sloganeering and outrage-generating talking heads. We’ve tolerated heresy and buffoonery in our leadership as long as with it there is sufficient political “conservatism” and a sufficient commercial venue to sell our books and products.

Too often, and for too long, American “Christianity” has been a political agenda in search of a gospel useful enough to accommodate it. There is a liberation theology of the Left, and there is also a liberation theology of the Right, and both are at heart mammon worship. The liberation theology of the Left often wants a Barabbas, to fight off the oppressors as though our ultimate problem were the reign of Rome and not the reign of death. The liberation theology of the Right wants a golden calf, to represent religion and to remind us of all the economic security we had in Egypt. Both want a Caesar or a Pharaoh, not a Messiah.

Leaders will always be tempted to bypass the problem behind the problems: captivity to sin, bondage to the accusations of the demonic powers, the sentence of death. That’s why so many of our Christian superstars smile at crowds of thousands, reassuring them that they don’t like to talk about sin. That’s why other Christian celebrities are seen to be courageous for fighting their culture wars, while they carefully leave out the sins most likely to be endemic to the people paying the bills in their movements.

Where there is no gospel, something else will fill the void: therapy, consumerism, racial or class resentment, utopian politics, crazy conspiracy theories of the left, crazy conspiracy theories of the right; anything will do. The prophet Isaiah warned us of such conspiracies replacing the Word of God centuries ago (Is. 8:12–20). As long as the Serpent’s voice is heard, “You shall not surely die,” the powers are comfortable.

This is, of course, not new. Our Lord Jesus faced this test when Satan took him to a high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the earth, and their glory. Satan did not mind surrendering his authority to Jesus. He didn’t mind a universe without pornography or Islam or abortion or nuclear weaponry. Satan did not mind Judeo-Christian values. He wasn’t worried about “revival” or “getting back to God.” What he opposes was the gospel of Christ crucified and resurrected for the sins of the world.

We used to sing that old gospel song, “I will cling to an old rugged cross, and exchange it some day for a crown.”  The scandalous scene at the Lincoln Memorial indicates that many of us want to exchange it in too soon. To Jesus, Satan offered power and glory. To us, all he needs offer is celebrity and attention.

Mormonism and Mammonism are contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ. They offer another Lord Jesus than the One offered in the Scriptures and Christian tradition, and another way to approach him. An embrace of these tragic new vehicles for the old Gnostic heresy is unloving to our Mormon friends and secularist neighbors, and to the rest of the watching world. Any “revival” that is possible without the Lord Jesus Christ is a “revival” of a different kind of spirit than the Spirit of Christ (1 Jn. 4:1-3).

The answer to this scandal isn’t a retreat, as some would have it, to an allegedly apolitical isolation. Such attempts lead us right back here, in spades, to a hyper-political wasteland. If the churches are not forming consciences, consciences will be formed by the status quo, including whatever demagogues can yell the loudest or cry the hardest. The answer isn’t a narrowing sectarianism, retreating further and further into our enclaves. The answer includes local churches that preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, and disciple their congregations to know the difference between the kingdom of God and the latest political whim.

It’s sad to see so many Christians confusing Mormon politics or American nationalism with the gospel of Jesus Christ. But, don’t get me wrong, I’m not pessimistic. Jesus will build his church, and he will build it on the gospel. He doesn’t need American Christianity to do it. Vibrant, loving, orthodox Christianity will flourish, perhaps among the poor of Haiti or the persecuted of Sudan or the outlawed of China, but it will flourish.

And there will be a new generation, in America and elsewhere, who will be ready for a gospel that is more than just Fox News at prayer.

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  • Carla Roberts

    Amen and Amen. Brannon Howse of Christian World View Network has been trying to get the body of Christ to look at this as have other Christian leaders of Intercessor networks and they have been persecuted for it. The Lord is shifting us…
    People I love and care for deeply have been caught up in this swell. Of course we want to see as patriotism and moral values and a heart cry for America to not become a socialist nation but what is missing should be clear to the true believer… that the Jesus our Messiah or Yehsua Ha Mashchia is not the same Jesus in the Mormon faith. Some friends have said that Glenn Beck is a Christian and born again— do not be deceived. Glenn Beck when interviewed by Chris Wallace after the event said he is a Mormon.
    America needs repentance. This week an event is occurring that we should be in deep intercession for and that is the USA’s and world as well as Israel’s enemies pushing to divide God’s covenant land. This is a very dangerous place for America to be. Genesis 12:3 and with it review Habbakuk 3: 12-15.
    We might consider all these things as a CAT 4 Hurricane is rolling towards our nation… the last verse in this scripture could not be more clear.
    He is the Good Shepherd but do we know His voice? I pray to not be deceived.

  • Alan Willis

    It sure seemed nice though to hear the name of Jesus Christ proclaimed as King of Kings and Lord of Lords in our nation’s capital. Reading this (at least initially) reminds me of the other half of the equation. The author of confusion.

  • Walter Pryror

    This is rather a negative article. It sounds a little self righteous to me. I didn’t see you organizing a great event like that! All this is just talk. That is what we have had for the past thirty years. Beck’s rally did more the influence this corrupt system than all the talk of the past thirty years.
    The Dems and Libs understand the power of these kinds of rallies. The press most of all understand how to influence the people and politicians. King understood too. We surely have been like sheep! Do nothing passive bunch of sheep. Christ wants us to stand up for what is Right in God’s eyes. We need to speak up! We know Christ will be victorius. The battle has been won. But we will be judged on what we do to help in this battle. We are Christ’s hand and feet. We are His tongue too!

  • David Kuenzi

    Russell,

    I am certain that many who listen to Beck and his rally may not have even known his Mormon background, because to your point, there is a void waiting to be filled with anything, in the absence of truth. But, I for one applaud Beck, because if he does nothing else, he may awaken some born again believer in Jesus Christ to preach the true gospel. And I also believe Beck’s “voice” serves a larger purpose in directing Americans back to the founding father’s intent to form the Republic on Christian-Judeo principals and while I don’t know that he articulates the detail of those principals particularly well, he is at least voicing the linkage between the founders beliefs that there is a God who created us all, and that we were endowed by that Creator with inalienable rights – which too many of our politicians and judicial activists have perverted those foundational principals into an almost polar opposite. So – I agree that we need to test the spirits, especially when the message being preached is a logical one. My prayer is that all believers in and followers of the Jesus of the Bible will awaken to the call to preach the Gospel, in season and out of season to the end that everyone will have heard the message of Jesus’ death and resurrection, so that the Lord can come back soon!

  • Shirley Davis

    I agree with you on this subject. I like Glen Beck but what bothered me the most is ,he talks of God, but if you know what the Mormons believe about Jesus Christ, there lies the heresy and deception. Let us not take our eyes off of Jesus and His True Gospel of Grace, Mercy, and forgiveness!!

  • Irene K. Catello

    Amen !

  • Chris Hunter

    Extremely well said. Sad it has to be said from so far outside the borders of the USA. I’d like to pass your article on to many fellow Christian FoxNews worshipers.

  • Roger Wolff

    Dear Christian,
    What you have said is the truth! However, as a retired Chaplain I have seem many come into the Chapel and hear the truth from all kinds of religions. Only God discerns the heart of man. I would like to believe the Glenn heart is turning closer to a personal Jesus who delivers him instead of the “Church”. Keep writing you are a servant of the Lord.
    Roger

  • REV HUGH DAVIS

    Winning or Mormon debate

    The result of Glenn Beck’s leadership in conservative politics is getting some evangelicals all upset
    That is not the way it works

    Politics is not religion.
    Politics is an alliance for a secular purpose.
    Anybody can join
    The loudest voice gets the attention and wins the election

    It is okay to be on watch for excesses in religious bias, but do not compromise on the political goal and that is to put in office men and women who are as close as possible to your type of government convictions

    Do you want to keep Obama or do you want to have a winner with a conservative political viewpoint that will truly protect you religious freedom AND GET ENOUGH VOTES TO WIN
    That is where we are – WINNING
    If there is AN evangelical with a good presentation where is he or che and get them out there
    Sarah Palin is of my doctrine, thank God.
    Support her rallies and program
    BUT KEEP US TOGETHER ON OUR GOAL

    Remember KISS
    Keep it simple s_____

  • REV HUGH DAVIS

    What you got is all that you will get
    We will probably win without you anyway

  • Ruth Nelson

    Excellent article. I agree with its entirety, but especially the comment “orthodox Christianity will flourish” no matter who attempts to attack it.

  • John Guest

    Very insightful article.

    Worthy News never fails to engage me. I am an English reader and you really represent the Gospel, not a political agenda. My prayers are with you and your ministry.

    God Bless

    John

  • dean higginbotham

    Exactly what did Mr. Beck say that offended you? I missed that. Or is it just that Mr. Beck says he is a Mormon? Did you hear some doctrinal mis-statement that is leading people astray? I know full well what the Mormon Church believes but most Mormons don’t. They readily embrace Christian doctrine but find it very hard to leave their church.

  • Mark

    Thanks for the commentary.

    Back a month or so ago I was watching a segment of the Oriely factor. In that segment was Glenn Beck promoting his book the “Overton Window”. Going into a commercial break Glenn made a comment to Bill. Along the lines of “this may be like a dog returning to its vomit”.I sat there with my mouth hanging open thinking…did he just say that!

    Bill and Glenn sat there snickering and Almost high fiveing each other.

    Not to mention that Glenn held his ralley in the shadow of the shaft of Baal.

    Mamon…worship of the self…yes.

    Glenn is returning to vomit.

  • HW

    But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
    1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV
    For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or if ye receive a different spirit, which ye did not receive, or a different gospel, which ye did not accept, ye do well to bear with him .2 Corinthians 11:4

  • Lois Taritas

    This is exactly a new generation of boldness calling people back to God, we have been separated to god by our flesh and now it is time to turn and be reunited with the spirit of God. God can use anybody, he does not care what religion they are because God LOVES all people, he will pour out his Spirit on all and that is what he is doing. Halelujah!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Karen S.

    “If the churches are not forming consciences, consciences will be formed by the status quo, including whatever demagogues can yell the loudest or cry the hardest. ”

    This is one of the most boldly stated truths I have heard a Christian speak openly in a while. That it is an obviously true statement makes it all the more urgent to be heeded and declared.

    It is sad that this article will most likely be read by those whose spirit resonate with the message it reveals, but it need not stop here.

    Lets be bold!

    “An embrace of these tragic new vehicles for the old Gnostic heresy is unloving to our Mormon friends and secularist neighbors, and to the rest of the watching world.”

    We are being UNLOVING if we remain silent, withdrawn, removed. Let us speak IN LOVE!!! Let us love with our tenderness, with our service, with our gentle speech, with our sacrifice.
    Let us proclaim boldly the message as The Spirit leads us, but first we must come to Him and repent of our sin, our pride, our lack of love for the world, and ask His forgiveness. Then let us sit as His feet, and ask to be sent (even if it is to the next cubicle, the next door neighbour, our children) to someone to proclaim the Truth with LOVE, and all that LOVE represents and entails.

    I speak for myself first.

    “And there will be a new generation, in America and elsewhere, who will be ready for a gospel that is more than just Fox News at prayer.”

    AMEN!!!
    Its already begun. Glory be to God! There is an army of youth being equipped by the Holy Spirit, called out from the churches and uniting under the banner of JESUS and His Gospel. Its begun. Lets pray for them that they stand fast, are bold, and are desiring to be continually filled with The Holy Spirit.

    Continue to proclaim the Truth!

  • Susan Torpey

    Great article! We must remember the parable Math 13:24
    of the wheat and tares.
    The enemy has come in and sowed tares …now that the wheat bores grain, the tares become evident also!
    May we continue to see the truth and be kept from evil!
    God’s Richest Blessings!
    In His Love,
    Sue

  • Gwendolyn Parrilla

    Thank you for that. Long overdue. Also thank you for informing followers of Glen Beck religious affiliation. I don’t listen to such rhetoric and do not associate with such. I didn’t know that he was a mormon. The Bible did say in Mar 13:22, For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.

  • Jules Franklin

    The Reality is that Salvation ONLY comes through JESUS CHRIST…Argument Finished…It is irrelevant to argue a ‘return to God’ doctrine without preaching the pure, true Gospel. The Father will not Dishonour The Son and no human will EVER change that. I feel sorry for Glenn as at the end of time there will be the truth weather he, the mormon church, evangelical christians or anyone else who has their own opinion of God disagrees…The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one and time will be fulfilled according to their will, not ours

  • Jenni Brewer

    Can I just say something in response to some of these comments? Christ is, yes, the only way. He is our only salvation. But all of us “Fox News worshipers” aren’t Fox News worshipers! We’re simply people who are so happy to finally get news without a liberal agenda behind it. I really believe it’s okay to educate ourselves on what’s going on in the world without listening to some liberal agenda. The same with Glenn Beck. To say that we won’t listen to you because you’re a mormon is like saying we won’t listen to our high school English teacher because she’s an athiest. It’s okay to educate ourselves, to call for others to open up a book and research for themselves what the truth is. I do pray that Glenn Beck comes to know Christ for whom He really is, but I think that what he’s trying to do should not be discredited just because he’s a mormon. He clearly calls for his audience to do their own research, something we all should be doing, and absolutely encouraging others to do!

  • Doug

    Thank God for Glenn Beck. I do pray that he comes to the full knowledge of the gospel. I have personal knowledge of Dave Roever and I think Sarah Palin’s relationship with Jesus speaks for itself. Surrounding himself with these kind of people may help him soon come to the total truth. What about all the so-called christian leaders who are masons ? Why don’t you blast them ? I think Billy Graham is one. It doesn’t matter to me. Lots of people have come to Chirst thru his ministry. God is the judge. The news media needs more Glenn Becks and people who are willing too call America to prayer. I question the author’s agenda for printing such an article..And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us .But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

    For he that is not against us is on our part

  • Jim Novak

    I also thank God for Glen Beck and I pray that he will come to the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ. i did not see or hear one thing about Glenn’s speech that would led me to the Mormon church. He spoke of God and country and what is wrong with that. How do you know that God is not using Glenn to awaken America to its christian roots. God can use whoever He wants and make the truth come out. He even spoke through a donkey and the rider got the message. I pray that Glenn Beck will become a christian and I pray that America will repent of her sins and turn back to God before it is to late. I believe your comments are way off base. You say that evangelicals Christians are falling all over Glenn Beck. I have not read or heard of one of them doing that. My pastor was at the rally and met Glenn and said that he is a good man and we need to pray for his salvation. That is what you should be doing instead of trying to tear the man down. Jesus won over the lost with love and He is still doing it.

  • Susanna Corley

    Are you saying that God can’t or won’t use a Mormon? God can use Satan for His purposes if He so chooses. But, just for the sake of “true” Christianity, let’s all change our channel to ____ and listen to _____. Who? I have not seen one Evangelical even attempt to scale the mountains Glenn Beck has. And, most Christian TV stations only attract the ultra Religious anyway. They are not reaching out to the lost, they are reaching out to the almigthty dollar. Granted, Beck has collected quite a few dollars, but, he’s not selling Christianity or prosperity. He’s selling “truth” as he sees it. People are responding because he’s the one that answered this particular calling. Probably thousands were called out of the realm of the Evngelical Christians but where are they? There is no doubt in my mind that God is using Glenn Beck no matter what he calls himself.

  • Guest

    REPLY: But, deliverance from a
    liberal mindset, and even from toleration of a liberal mindset, is absolutely
    prerequisite to genuine knowledge of God and Christ. 99% of preachers in the
    land today reveal that they are not saved, because they do not preach against
    the evils of liberalism. They won’t even take a stand. They keep their mouths
    sinfully silent. They stick their heads in the sand and smile. Why not rejoice
    to hear someone stand up to the Goliath which is liberal, worldly, compromised
    thought? Such an individual is at least closer to the kingdom of God than 99%
    of “Christ-embracing” preachers.

    ARTICLE: Fox News commentator Glenn Beck, of
    course, is that Mormon at the center of all this. Beck isn’t the problem. He’s
    an entrepreneur, he’s brilliant, and, hats off to him, he knows his market.
    Latter-day Saints have every right to speak, with full religious liberty, in
    the public square. I’m quite willing to work with Mormons on various issues, as
    citizens working for the common good. What concerns me here is not what this
    says about Beck or the “Tea Party” or any other entertainment or political
    figure. What concerns me is about what this says about the Christian churches
    in the United States.

    REPLY: No, Beck is exactly
    your problem. That’s why you wrote an article on him. “Hats off to him”?
    Really? So you admire his business skills, but criticize people for admiring
    his more sacrificial aspects of taking stands on moral issues?

    It “concerns” you that
    some within the pale of Christendom rejoice at some good aspects that Beck
    presents? That very “concern” of yours makes me concerned about you.

    ARTICLE: It’s taken us a long time to get
    here, in this plummet from Francis Schaeffer to Glenn Beck. In order to be this
    gullible, American Christians have had to endure years of vacuous talk about
    undefined “revival” and “turning America back to God” that was less about
    anything uniquely Christian than about, at best, a generically theistic civil
    religion and, at worst, some partisan political movement.

    REPLY: Why find fault with a
    generically theistic civil religion? I find that something to rejoice in. This
    nation has been blessed because of the influence of the Judeo-Christian ethic.

    “At worst, some partisan
    political movement” – I think that’s the worst, most self-damning statement in
    the whole article. So you’re fighting those that take the right stands
    concerning political issues? That’s awful! Pastors are already so “apolitical”
    (in the sense of refusing to take difficult stands) that is makes me (and any
    sane person) want to vomit. And you are going to go for the offensive on the
    side of evil?

    ARTICLE: Rather than cultivating a Christian
    vision of justice and the common good (which would have, by necessity, been
    nuanced enough to put us sometimes at odds with our political allies), we’ve
    relied on populist God-and-country sloganeering and outrage-generating talking
    heads. We’ve tolerated heresy and buffoonery in our leadership as long as with
    it there is sufficient political “conservatism” and a sufficient commercial venue
    to sell our books and products.

    REPLY: Why do people always call
    taking moral stands “populism”?? Populism means you take “moral” stands, yes;
    but just as much it means that you are for giving lazy people handouts (hardly
    a Glenn Beck position). Conservatism; Populism; Liberalism; Libertarianism:
    four ideologies not to confuse into one obscured mish-mash.

    Oftentimes people mistake
    moral outrage at evil as just being so much “sloganeering” and “outrage-generating
    talking heads.” Some of it may be so; all of it certainly is not. Jesus had “talking
    heads” in Matthew 23.

    ARTICLE: Too often, and for too long,
    American “Christianity” has been a political agenda in search of a gospel
    useful enough to accommodate it. There is a liberation theology of the Left,
    and there is also a liberation theology of the Right, and both are at heart
    mammon worship. The liberation theology of the Left often wants a Barabbas, to
    fight off the oppressors as though our ultimate problem were the reign of Rome
    and not the reign of death. The liberation theology of the Right wants a golden
    calf, to represent religion and to remind us of all the economic security we
    had in Egypt. Both want a Caesar or a Pharaoh, not a Messiah.

    REPLY: I really don’t understand
    how taking stands is “mammon worship.” David saw Goliath blaspheming God, said
    to himself, “This won’t do,” got a few stones, and took the giant down. Was
    that “mammon-worship”? Hardly. God loved him for it!

    People that take righteous
    stands are not looking for a “gospel useful enough to accommodate [them].”
    People that are motivated by God to take righteous stands do so because the
    true Gospel of God has saved them and granted them moral abhorrence (a concept
    the unregenerate mind cannot understand) of evil. Your picture is exactly
    flip-flopped.

    ARTICLE: Leaders will always be tempted to
    bypass the problem behind the problems: captivity to sin, bondage to the
    accusations of the demonic powers, the sentence of death. That’s why so many of
    our Christian superstars smile at crowds of thousands, reassuring them that
    they don’t like to talk about sin. That’s why other Christian celebrities are
    seen to be courageous for fighting their culture wars, while they carefully
    leave out the sins most likely to be endemic to the people paying the bills in
    their movements.

    REPLY: Watch out when you
    criticize people for “fighting their culture wars” – you might be covertly
    insinuating that something motivated by the Holy Spirit is really originating
    from the devil. Resist enough and you may find that you have committed the
    unpardonable sin.

    I’m not talking about
    people that refuse to take stands on tough issues – I’m talking about the ideal
    – people who are not afraid to address any issue.

    ARTICLE: Where there is no gospel, something
    else will fill the void: therapy, consumerism, racial or class resentment,
    utopian politics, crazy conspiracy theories of the left, crazy conspiracy
    theories of the right; anything will do. The prophet Isaiah warned us of such
    conspiracies replacing the Word of God centuries ago (Is. 8:12–20). As long as
    the Serpent’s voice is heard, “You shall not surely die,” the powers are
    comfortable.

    REPLY: Many liberals claim to
    believe your gospel, and it has done them no good. The true Gospel strikes out
    against ideological evil and demands repentance from it.

    ARTICLE: This is, of course, not new. Our
    Lord Jesus faced this test when Satan took him to a high mountain and showed
    him all the kingdoms of the earth, and their glory. Satan did not mind surrendering
    his authority to Jesus. He didn’t mind a universe without pornography or Islam
    or abortion or nuclear weaponry. Satan did not mind Judeo-Christian values. He
    wasn’t worried about “revival” or “getting back to God.” What he opposes was
    the gospel of Christ crucified and resurrected for the sins of the world.

    REPLY: If the Gospel does not
    produce a moral abhorrence of liberal, convoluted thinking, it isn’t the
    Gospel. Now, repentance from liberalism does not save you, but if God has truly
    saved you, you will have had a thorough-going change of mind concerning the ideological
    lies of the devil. Additionally, I think Satan does mind Judeo-Christian values. Why else would he be attacking them so thoroughly? Why are the demons stirred whenever someone takes a stand for values? Because they HATE values. The anti-Christ will be the great overthrower of the values foundational to a healthy society.

    ARTICLE: We used to sing that old gospel
    song, “I will cling to an old rugged cross, and exchange it some day for a
    crown.” The scandalous scene at the Lincoln Memorial indicates that many
    of us want to exchange it in too soon. To Jesus, Satan offered power and glory.
    To us, all he needs offer is celebrity and attention.

    Mormonism and Mammonism are contrary
    to the gospel of Jesus Christ. They offer another Lord Jesus than the One
    offered in the Scriptures and Christian tradition, and another way to approach
    him. An embrace of these tragic new vehicles for the old Gnostic heresy is
    unloving to our Mormon friends and secularist neighbors, and to the rest of the
    watching world. Any “revival” that is possible without the Lord Jesus Christ is
    a “revival” of a different kind of spirit than the Spirit of Christ (1 Jn.
    4:1-3).

    REPLY: Nay. Conservatism is
    healthy. Liberalism is evil. Certainly, a person who is truly saved will see
    the deity of Jesus Christ; furthermore, anyone who denies the deity of Jesus Christ does not have God and will not go to heaven; nevertheless, even someone with an anti-Christ
    spirit could still be blessed by God to have the healthiness and common-sense
    which is conservative thinking. Jesus Christ lighteth every man that cometh
    into the world, and let’s not condemn any small amount of light, wherever we
    see it. My contention is, when you don’t recognize light as being light, and
    attack it as evil because it is not full light, you do greatly err. Jesus saw
    God-given good aspects in the rich young ruler; yet the man was lost and
    unsaved. This does not in any way convolute the doctrine of Calvinistic total
    depravity. On the contrary, it affirms it. If someone can even have measures of
    good and of standing for righteousness, and still be worthy of hell, it shows
    that original sin goes deep – so deep as to who a person is, and not
    merely to what they do. Even someone that has a measure of good, I can
    see how God could justly condemn them to hell because at rock-bottom, they are
    still a sinner who is alienated from the life of God.

    ARTICLE: The answer to this scandal isn’t a
    retreat, as some would have it, to an allegedly apolitical isolation. Such
    attempts lead us right back here, in spades, to a hyper-political wasteland. If
    the churches are not forming consciences, consciences will be formed by the
    status quo, including whatever demagogues can yell the loudest or cry the
    hardest. The answer isn’t a narrowing sectarianism, retreating further and
    further into our enclaves. The answer includes local churches that preach the
    gospel of Jesus Christ, and disciple their congregations to know the difference
    between the kingdom of God and the latest political whim.

    REPLY: Nay. We fight the battle until
    we win it, or until we are martyred. The same goes for child-rearing. Do you
    give in because at first your discipline didn’t work? No – then the child would
    become a brat, knowing that he can get his way whenever he wants as long as he
    keeps crying about it. Our society is unhealthy. It’s trying to destroy
    Christianity and (unbeknownst to them) destroy itself. We don’t allow it to do
    so without hearing our voice. If, after our faithful reproof, it continues to
    cry, “Christianity is just worn arguments,” do we give in? If so, then Satan
    has won. No. We say, “Nay, liberalism is just worn arguments. We will not
    surrender our minds to liberalism. If you must kill us, then do so, but we will
    not smile and say that really we need to come over and compromise a little for
    the sake of liberalism.” The answer is “narrowing sectarianism” unto martyrdom,
    if need be. Otherwise, we will become complicit in something akin to the
    Holocaust, where society implodes and the blood of the innocents lies fully on
    the hands of sinful, silent “Christians.”

    ARTICLE: It’s sad to see so many Christians
    confusing Mormon politics or American nationalism with the gospel of Jesus
    Christ [REPLY: Are you sure you don’t have demons in you that get agitated when someone stands for values? Perhaps you have good things with you, but have not been delivered from this evil.] ARTICLE: But, don’t get me wrong, I’m not pessimistic. Jesus will build his
    church, and he will build it on the gospel. He doesn’t need American
    Christianity to do it. Vibrant, loving, orthodox Christianity will flourish,
    perhaps among the poor of Haiti or the persecuted of Sudan or the outlawed of
    China, but it will flourish.

    REPLY: That’s not very exciting.
    The only thing I want is to follow Jesus. So now I can’t, just because I
    happened to be born in America? That doesn’t make any sense. The religion of
    Jesus is a “here and now religion.” If I can’t be a Christian HERE and NOW,
    then forget it. It’s no use to go to Haiti and give up all my goods and act
    pious and think, “oh, now I’m so righteous” – no, I would be “so much
    self-righteous,” as well as ridiculous. Christianity isn’t a “dream” religion –
    it’s a real religion that anyone can enter who wants to.

    ARTICLE: And there will be a new generation,
    in America and elsewhere, who will be ready for a gospel that is more than just
    Fox News at prayer.

    REPLY: As long as you reject the idea of having a
    moral abhorrence of liberalism, which abhorrence is a part of the Gospel, you reject Jesus
    Christ. I’m not saying Christianity is “Fox News at Prayer” (I’ve never heard about “Fox News at Prayer”); but Christianity certainly isn’t
    the political gymnastics presented here in this article. The early disciples
    were persecuted, not only because they preached Jesus, but because they
    preached, through Jesus, the resurrection of the dead. Some folks didn’t
    mind hearing about Jesus, as long as you didn’t say positively that there was a
    resurrection. Today, many folks don’t mind you preaching about Jesus, but it’s
    when you preach through Jesus some facet of true Christianity (be it
    modesty, be it conservatism, be it not cussing, be it not loving the world, be
    it kindness) then you will get the rotten eggs. When all men speak well
    of you, then should you be afraid of God’s anger.

  • Guest

    “I don’t listen to such rhetoric” – so you call taking right stands on issues “rhetoric”? Please examine yourself and make sure you are really saved.

  • Guest

    The Gospel is not the Gospel if it is merely a “never-never land” good-feeling. The true Gospel is ever addressing real-life issues, ever striking out against evil, ever promoting and encouraging righteousness. Jesus was angered by the legalism of the Pharisees. If you are not angered by the liberalism of our age, I don’t think the true Gospel has yet reached you.

  • Guest

    How was the article “excellent”? Why will orthodox Christianity always flourish? I thought that in the last days, it would be hard for Jesus to even find faith on the earth.

  • Guest

    “Only God discerns the heart of man” – are you saying you disagree with John 14:6?
    “You are a servant of the Lord” – why? Just because he puts scriptures in his article??

  • Guest

    I don’t watch Fox News. However, I think something is wrong with you if your foremost problem in life is with a news-station that stands for a degree of light. Are you sure you don’t have a devil?

  • Guest

    Nice critique of the article. I agree – let’s stand for righteousness, wherever it is seen. Standing against righteousness seems diabolical to me.

  • Guest

    “People you love and care for deeply have been caught up [sinfully] in this swell…” That’s a pretty critical, arrogant, condescending statement to make. Are you sure some of what they are doing might not be motivated by God or by good? Why are you against standing for good things anyways? Christianity is a good religion – not an evil, tear-down-the-good religion. I think you need to reverse your thinking.

  • Guest

    It’s true that God honors the deity of the Son. But it’s also true that God honors the healthiness of conservatism.

  • Guest

    “I question the author’s agenda for printing such an article” – Amen. I question it too! I always get a really funny feeling whenever any professing Christian starts revealing that they have some problem with conservatism. Something isn’t adding up. Something doesn’t seem right. Has that person ever really seen Jesus Christ? That doesn’t mean I think Beck is a Christian. That doesn’t even mean I listen to him (I don’t, because he sometimes uses profanity). That doesn’t even mean I ever watch Fox News (I don’t). It doesn’t mean that I can’t see that denial of the deity of Jesus is heresy. It just means that, why would you pick your fights with people that are standing for a measure of good?? Makes no sense whatsoever. Personally, I think such individuals are lost.

  • Guest

    You said, “I believe your comments are way off base” – yes! Exactly how I felt as I was reading the article. I thought “WorthyOpinions” was supposed to be just that – worthy, conservative opinions. How is it that someone has got some anti-conservative bent and written this article? Doesn’t make sense. The whole article seemed like convoluted, weird thinking.

  • Guest

    “God can use Satan for HIs purposes” – excellent point!

  • Guest

    Excellent points. I felt exactly as you did, if not even more strongly.

  • Guest

    If a person is REALLY discerning, not only will they be able to discern that denial of the deity of Christ is heresy, but they will also be able to discern that, for example, the article above had some weird anti-conservative strain in it that does not comport with the true Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

  • Guest

    Why attack someone with a measure of light? Is it really because you are “so much more” full of light? Or might it be because you have darkness in you, and the demons in you can’t stand a measure of righteousness?

  • Guest

    “What did Mr. Beck say that offended you? I missed that.” EXACTLY. I missed it, too. The point is, perhaps the writer of the article needs to repent of being a little bit anti-conservative.

  • Guest

    Terrible article. I disagreed with it in its entirety, but especially the part about how standing for righteous issues is portrayed as the most evil thing in the world. As Isaiah said, they put light for darkness, and darkness for light; sweet for bitter, and bitter for sweet. Deceived are all antagonists of conservatism.

  • Guest

    Nice post.

  • Guest

    Gwendolyn says, “Thank you for that! I am a liberal or at least I can’t stand it when someone takes a stand for righteousness. I have demons, and those demons get stirred up something crazy just if someone points out the inconsistencies with my evil ideology. Thank you for the article. Long overdue. Beck has been making me feel uncomfortable for so long. Now I can relax because they say he is a heretic. Now I can go back to liberalism. Now I can justify what, inwardly, I feel might be making God angry.” Ah, but rest assured – if you are liberal, God is very angry, and Beck’s heresy will not justify you in the day of God’s wrath. Please be truly reconciled to the cross of Jesus today.

  • Guest

    If you do not perceive the “tare” of liberalism, then it does you no good to perceive the “tare” of doctrinal heresy. We have to go all the way with Jesus, or none at all.

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